Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: All right, welcome back.
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[00:00:11] Speaker B: Yep. Everyone, Paul or Comrect Buzz this.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: This week I got summer vibes going. And so, you know, on the show we. We break down the Latest in startup SaaS, AI, and whatever the Internet is debating this week. Yeah, we always aim for smart takes, but we know we end up with many more dumb ones.
I'd like to believe we'll always have a few scorchers. And of course, at the end of the show, we always talk about memes because we love memes.
[00:00:44] Speaker B: We love them. They're the best thing.
So we. Every week we are streaming live on X and LinkedIn, usually on Fridays, almost always at noon Pacific time.
Then we post straight to YouTube and keep repeating this, but some days we will launch on podcast platforms.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: We're gonna get there.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: We're gonna get there. Apple, Spotify, Google, everywhere so that people can take us on the go.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: We took off July 4th. That was. That was actually. That was actually quite relaxing.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Right?
Did you traveled that weekend?
[00:01:19] Speaker A: I did. I did. I was in Portland. It was nice.
[00:01:21] Speaker B: Nice. Portland. Is Portland as weird as they say? I know. We're.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Oh, that's a long conversation.
Portland is exactly like the television show Portlandia. It's where every hipster in the 90s, like, went to retire, which is great for me because, like, I'm a hipster from the 90s too, but it's almost bizarre. It's like a time capsule.
A quick story. My wife wanted to go in this, like, clothing store, and I'm like, whatever, we'll go check it out. So I walk in there and I see, like, a sign in the back that says records. And I look at the. The woman running the shop, and I go, this is the best men's section I've ever seen. So I go back and I'm, like, thumbing through the records, and they're basically like, every record me and my brother had as kids, like, to a T. Like, I couldn't believe the stuff I was stumbling into. They had cassettes. They had VHS tapes. And so I bought a bunch. I bought a cassette. Me and my brother has kids, and I gave it to him. And then we would, like, look at it and play it on.
On Apple Music. So we never played the cassette. We would just kind of pretend, right. Stare at it, but play the digital version of the album.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: That's amazing.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: That's such worth $8 or whatever. I paid for it.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: Oh, man, that's awesome.
[00:02:40] Speaker A: All right, should we get into it?
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Let's do it.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: So I think our first item we want to talk about was events are back.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: Have you been going to events in Toronto?
[00:02:55] Speaker B: I have. Toronto Tech Week was end of last month and that was a ton of fun. Yeah, yeah, Toronto. So end of June is usually when city wakes up. So throughout May, June, it's hit and miss in terms of weather, but end of June is consistently warm. So events usually start end of June. And people, people came up.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Because I think, I think with all the disruption that AI is bringing to the marketing space, events are clearly back. And I see everybody attending them, putting them on, promoting them. Conferences I went to like last year was the first time I went to a conference after Covid and I could see like, yeah, people weren't ready. It was like, right. Lightly attended. It just wasn't. It wasn't like it is this year where it's just boom. Like everyone is back.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: Everyone's back. Yeah, exactly. Last year people were still walking around in masks. They weren't sure. This year is completely back.
Yeah, good point. On the AI marketing front. Right.
I mean we talked about this quite a bit. I think the effective marketing is going to split between low volume in person marketing as in, you know, you can't do, I don't know, hundreds of in person events a year. You'll have to pick your battles versus, you know, the super attention grabbing, high volume, bam, bam, bam everywhere getting in front of people.
Online marketing, you know, proper terms are rage baiting, you know, to, to get as many impressions as possible online.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I think the scale is not there like it was with a lot of digital marketing. But, but events are cool. I.
Should we talk about events? What do I talk about?
[00:04:53] Speaker B: I think we should talk about your special event.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: Our events? Well, yeah, I did my own event at Climate Week.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: And then I'm doing a talk Monday.
So this is. Yeah, this is the, the talk for Monday and that's for Seattle Tech Week.
[00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: And I think it's gonna be the most popular.
The most popular talk at Tech Week. Yeah, I got, I, I checked the crazy registration. There's like another 240 people on the wait list. Like. Yeah, exceeded 500 RCPs. I was like quite surprised by that. So that'll be fun. So hey, if you are in Seattle, you want to come see me? Maybe send me a DM or something. I'll see if I can get you in because there's a, there's a lot of interest.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: There's a massive wait list.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So it's cool.
And based on the success of this.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:53] Speaker A: I'm gonna come to Toronto to see you and we're gonna do the same talk.
[00:05:59] Speaker B: Love it.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: I.
Yeah, yeah. Rinse and repeat. Right. Like, why.
Why reinvent the wheel.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: Do the same talk in Toronto for. For elevate.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: Love it. And that is beginning of October, so. Right.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: October 6th.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So hopefully it'll still be warmish. But usually October is jacket and sweater weather.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: Oh my God, did you get cold by October?
[00:06:30] Speaker B: Oh, yes, yes, yes. So pack light jacket and sweater.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: Oh, okay. We'll figure it out.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: We'll figure it out.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: Hopefully it's not too cold.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
And you have something else at the end of October, is that correct?
[00:06:47] Speaker A: Yeah. One more event.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: One more event.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: Action packed.
[00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah. So for. You'll be doing this one too. You're coming, you're the sponsor, right?
[00:06:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll come, of course.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: Fantastic. Well, yeah, we're doing this mixer for TechCrunch Disrupt.
This is a little different than the other events. This is invite only. We're trying to get VCS and founders together. We've got a bunch of incredible founders, a bunch of excellent VCS already attending.
We're working on headline speaker.
We haven't announced someone yet. We had someone. This is funny. We had someone. And. And unfortunately he. He was like, oh my God, that's the same day as my wife's birthday. So he had a decline, which we encouraged him to do. Yeah, like, oh, no, I don't think your wife wants to go to our event. So we're looking for another headline speaker.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: One.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: That's the one. Fantastic. I can't wait. I'm very excited, but a little different than the other, other events. So if you are around TechCrunch Disrupt, your founder, or your early stage VC that focuses on startups, reach out and see if it's the right fit for. For you.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Should be a good time. How's the weather? End of October in San Francisco.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: San Francisco, dude, it's the same weather all year round. Foggy and cold.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: Okay, got it.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: Like I. It's so bad. Like, I lived in San Francisco for 10 years.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: And like, someone warned me about this. Like, you don't even remember when things happened because it's always like fall. That is like, was it 20, 21 or 22? Or like you can't even remember because it's always the same weather.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: Right.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: It'll be like, it'll be like hot at 2 o' clock and then by like 4 o' clock you need a jacket and by 6 o' clock you need north face vest and a scarf.
[00:08:39] Speaker B: Got it. Okay. That sounds like Toronto in May essentially for the entire month. It's warm. Yeah, it's like cold day in the morning, hotting the afternoon and then it's just freezing at night.
That's me.
[00:08:54] Speaker A: Oh my God.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: So San Francisco is just permanently stuck.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: Well, it's fun to be doing all the events. I'm enjoying it. Oh, and I was at Climate Week last week here in, in Seattle. So tons of events and. Yeah, and everyone I talk to, they're doing events, organized events, hackathons, conferences. Like it's definitely what people are trying to do to fill the gap based on like all the disruption happening with AI. Which takes us to our first topic. Yeah, News. News related.
You want to introduce this one?
[00:09:30] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. So nerdy news of the week. We have a few, but the first one is GPT5.
So like here's, here's the weird spot thing that I'm still kind of working through is obviously OpenAI had had a.
They signed a deal with Microsoft, so they're still kind of integrated with Microsoft, especially co pilot. So GPT5 is initially introduced into Microsoft's copilot, not yet released to the public via ChatGPT yet. So like I'm wondering what, what their angle here is. It's like will, will there always be this back and forth, like what's their integration point?
[00:10:22] Speaker A: I don't know. But put up the other link because that shows where. That's how people found this. It got. It was leaked, correct?
Yeah, like it showed up in a co pilot that you're able to access the beta version of GPT5 because like Altman had been, he's been talking about like gtf like a long time and never gave specifics in terms of the release date. But that was how people stumbled upon this and found out that that's gonna be released. You know, in terms of like their relationship with like Microsoft. I've heard a lot of things, rumors.
And the rumor I heard is that, which, which is very believable.
Microsoft have a very sophisticated and large legal team, probably the best one in the business. And that whatever the agreements. Yeah. The agreements that they have with OpenAI are just ironclad and that they're struggling to figure out, you know, how to navigate. That is what I've, what I've been told. Which is very believable. Right. That you know, Microsoft gave him a lot of money. Microsoft made them sign a bunch of contracts and there are like lots of stipulations and restrictions and all. And like I, I can't even imagine actually some degree like what kind of stuff is in there. And I think it's like in some ways like holding OpenAI back from perhaps releasing things as fast as they would like. You know, that kind of thing.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: Right. It, it.
And it also, it's kind of weird, right? Like Open AI is a nonprofit. They try to go profit. Microsoft is obviously a pro, pro profit organization. So like the whole thing is, is unknown. And what I'm also like kind of looking forward to is just benchmarking GPT5 against, let's say GRO3 and also GPT 4.5 just to see the improvement. I would, I would love to see if it's as sophisticated as some of the initial reports are.
We don't know if it flat lines. I'm actually kind of wondering if there is any more improvements to be, to be had.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. I mean my personal experience with like ChatGPT right now is that it's getting worse at like writing.
I used to be able to use it as a writing assistant and now I think it's, it's quite terrible. Like I was, I talked to you about this. Like it wrote something for me recently that said, there are several reasons for this. And then I had one reason and I was like that's not several. And then it fixed it and was like, oh, here it is. And it had three reasons. Like I'm technically three is not several either.
Like I just, I feel like the, the writing ability is declining because they're focusing more on search and they're trying to be a replace placement for Google. So when I use it to do things I used to do with Google, I feel like it does them better. But not always.
I don't know. That's been. What do you think?
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't.
So like it's really interesting because like with all of the LLMs, you have to give it a lot of instructions in terms of drawing bounding boxes.
So if you're doing writing even you can't get it to do creative writing, you have to be like, okay, here are the parameters. Don't go outside of it.
Follow these templates. Then it will do a really good job. But it's not there. You can just give it a prompt, as in write a 500 word essay on this topic and make it enticing enough that people read the whole thing.
It's not possible.
Very, very bad at Being creative, I.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Feel like some of the search stuff too. Like it, in some ways it's a poor replacement for Google. Like if I try to like look up a restaurant or like the maps thing, I find bugs in it and stuff too. Like the maps don't work correctly.
It's got some issues there. But I, I think, I mean if I was the search team or the, the team at ChatGPT, like that's what I would do. Be like benchmarking popular searches and then trying to improve the UI there. And I think that that's where Google finally like, or maybe it's even like I always thought this was the genius of Google was that they were very good or they used to be good, I think at understanding what popular searches were and what people's intent was and optimizing for that. They stopped at some point like worrying about like tracking all this information and having these like really deep, see like deep research, like all these things that they used to do. They realize that people use it for a couple of things and if they were really good at that, that's what really mattered.
And I always thought that that was their competitive advantage. They had a lot of data on what people search because once you know, like what people searching for and what that search means, you can optimize the user experience for that. And there's probably not like an infinite amount that matter.
I see there's only like they look for restaurants, they're trying to find a, they're trying to find a plane ticket. They're like looking for a SaaS software solution for, for spamming people, whatever it is. Right. Like it's very clear like what people are trying to do and so they just need to optimize for that. So I think, I think OpenAI has already stumbled into that. That like they just need to make sure the tool does the things that like most people.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I see.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: And not a lot of people are using it to write claws already got that market. And like they don't care if like there's a thousand, two thousand marketing nerds who want to use that as a writing assistant.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: So they're trying to figure out where their niche is, give people what they want.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: I, Yeah, I don't even know if it's a niche. I think it's like they're looking for the biggest market possible.
And so like my understanding was that on Google in terms of monetization and like, and paid travel was the biggest segment.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: Interesting. Got it.
[00:16:43] Speaker A: That that's the overwhelming majority of like ad spend. So Any search related to travel was what generated the most amount of money at, at Google. Right.
So I, I think, I think like, chat GP is clearly gone down that path of like, how can we win at search? And they'll have to monetize it through ads in just the same way that Google did. So if I was them, I'd be optimizing for like, the types of searches that are the most monetizable for them, which would be commerce, travel. Right. There's a few categories where there's a lot of people searching and you can charge not just the most, but you can charge the widest amount or largest number of people.
Like people. There's a lot of people sell shoes, There's a lot of people who sell plane tickets. There's a lot of people sell hotels. Right.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Travel plans.
[00:17:32] Speaker A: Other categories, like, just aren't as big in terms of like the tam. Yeah, I think that's exactly where they get going.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: The last point for me on that point is I wonder if they can do it just because the nature of LLM makes things up.
If you make up like a hotel name, that would be pretty annoying.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: That's a great question. I, I mean, I feel like it's. At least. Remember when you used to hallucinate all the time? Like, stuff was just made up left and right. It was, it was really bad.
I don't feel like I catch it with that type of thing anymore. It's pretty good at like, finding sources and trying to remember the last time where it like really hallucinated, really, in a way that was really critical. Where I was surprised.
It'll make up URL still. We found that.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: That one's always strange to me. It makes up links. It's like the link doesn't exist. But like, this was just a link just in case you might have wanted a link. But I didn't find it 100%.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: Right. Like it's, it's like early Wikipedia days where people give you citations and you look at the citations. It's just like some guy's block.
Yeah, it's like.
So like LLMs is kind of doing that right now.
They would just make up citations.
So like researchers are caught quoting fake citations generated by chat GPT in their own people.
So like fundamentally that still hasn't gone away and it could, that's a whole.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Other it could discussion.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: But like the, the, the consumer facing consequences. They make up a destination or they make up a bus schedule or bus route that doesn't exist.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll See how they. I mean, I feel like they've gotten better at it, but I remember there's an interview with Sundar, like, the first 60 Minutes that he did on AI and he was like, he was pretty clear that they can't solve for all of them. He's like. He's like, they can't be eliminated, but they can be. Like, they can reduce them and they can manage them. But there's always this, like, small percentage of things that'll hallucinate, which I think is really bad for a lot of categories. A lot of people said this, right? Like, there's a lot of things that need to be perfect.
And, like, if Genai can never do that, then, like, it can't really take over those categories.
[00:19:57] Speaker B: Shall we move on?
[00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah. What's next?
Oh, genetic engineering.
[00:20:05] Speaker B: Would you want to talk about this one?
[00:20:08] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. This is cool.
So I think, like, people have talked about this for a long time that the Gates foundation, other people were doing experiments on how to, like, reduce the spread of malaria. Right. Because, like, I don't know if you're aware of this. Yeah, I heard the content of Africa.
They estimate that malaria cost them 1% of GDP in every country. Like, it's that bad, right? Malaria is, like, a significant problem and very difficult to. To solve. And so there's been lots of, like, experiments about what can they do to, like, alter mosquitoes and genetically engineer them and stuff. And so it looks like they've succeeded at, like, not only creating mosquitoes that don't transmit malaria, but those skeeter mosquitoes are.
Can have children or they can. They could spawn other mosquitoes that don't spread malaria. Right? Yeah. So pretty significant.
Let's call it innovation.
And I'm sure there's people freaking out about, like, us genetically manipulating the environment, but I think this is overall a positive thing. You know, I went to a talk a long time ago with, like, I can't remember who it was with a genetic scientist. And he had a lot of examples of, like, yeah, genetic manipulation that, like, humans have done over time. And he showed, like, sheep, right. And he showed, like, cows with, like, other. Other animals. And he's like, we didn't have any testing or any studies. Like, he's like, and a sheep is just a freak of nature. Like, if you don't cut the right off of it, like, don't just keep going. Can't survive. Yeah. He was making, like, a very interesting pro genetic engineering argument, which I'd never heard and I thought was quite interesting. Like, there's lots of things in the environment that we've, that we've manipulated. And so I, I know. I think this is overall positive, a positive thing.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Like, nobody likes mosquitoes. They're. They're completely useless.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: Well, they, I guess they still sting you. They just don't give you malaria.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Sure. Can we just kill them in general? Just.
Why keep them around? There's.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: Dude, I don't actually know enough. Like, do mosquitoes have a place in the ecosystem? Like, are they required for plants or. I'm not an expert.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: I think they're literally one of the only things I don't know.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: Well, I thought that was, I thought that was interesting.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Yeah, they're food sources for, for animals, I suppose, but.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: Well, they don't eat them.
[00:22:54] Speaker B: Yeah, but other than that, they're useless. I mean, the birds can't find something else to eat on.
All right, good topic.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: Well, I, I. At a high level, I'm pro. Genetic engineering, I suppose.
[00:23:07] Speaker B: Love it.
Famous last week.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: Really great.
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see what happens.
Oh, man.
All right, we got one more. One more news item.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: I. I enjoyed this one. We'll see.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: Has anyone figured this out yet? So, like, Elon posted that he's gonna bring back vine and AI form. What's funny is if you read this thread, everybody's like, right.
What does it mean? Because, like, Twitter supports a video and has for a while now. And that was one of the innovations that he brought to the platform. Right? It was loud, longer videos, they had a video stream, bunch of things. And now he's like, bring back Vine. And everyone's like, what is. What does bringing back vine mean?
Were you a fan of Vine?
[00:23:54] Speaker B: I never used vine.
[00:23:58] Speaker A: Is it like 10 years old? It's before your time.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: No, not. I don't know. I just didn't pay attention to social media during that sequence of that period.
[00:24:07] Speaker A: I mean, I feel like.
Was it more than 10 years ago? It's. It was.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: It's an old.
[00:24:11] Speaker A: It's old.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Yes. Vine launch date launched in 2013.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Yeah. So 11 years. Because I remember I wasn't like a huge fan of it, but I do remember that, like, there were some influencers and people that were really popular on vine and there were some really.
There were some knee. That was the name of the company. There's a very interesting startup that was doing influencer market called. They were called niche.com, which I thought was like an right awesome name. And they were big on partnerships for vine influencers.
I don't really Know what would the AI version be?
They make slop for you or something? Like, I'm not.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: It didn't vine have a very limited format? Like it was only a few minutes or a few seconds. It was like 30, it was something strange.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: Like 37 seconds maybe. He means, you know, with the Grock 3 you can create avatars so potentially that.
Have you played around with Grog?
[00:25:16] Speaker A: So you think the new avatars have not played. I haven't played the avatar thing at all on grog.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm guessing. It's.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: Is it like, hey, gen, like you can create an avatar avatar, make it talk.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Why would I want that?
[00:25:31] Speaker B: Because you can make it say things.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: I don't know, I'm not sure I get it. Like, I don't know, maybe like young people. Like, I see all that augmented stuff and I like, I feel really old. Like, I'm not really sure like why I would.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: Right. Why you would use it. People have been playing around with it. Right. Like it. When it was launched, there was a lot of people, people playing around with the avatar on X, but it kind of quickly died down. If they launch more and more avatars, then potentially it could be a thing.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: I liked the Ghibli thing. I thought that was fun.
[00:26:04] Speaker B: Right. So now make it, make it into a video format.
[00:26:09] Speaker A: I suppose the other thing we should touch on is like, I don't know about you, but my experience on like X is, is not quite what it used to be.
I even like, this week is the first time where like my kind of focus flipped From X to LinkedIn. I always both and you know, I had an audience both, but I much preferred X. So the content was more fun. I, I enjoyed the people on there. It was funnier. It just was like it was just a better fit for like who I am.
And this week is the first time where I had a post that I did on both platforms on LinkedIn, I went like viral. Like I had, you know, 25,000 views or something and on X I had like a couple hundred, like it didn't even break a thousand.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: Right, Yeah, I, I agree.
I, I, I think the X is pushing you towards more video content. We've been saying this for a long time, but it is starting to, to, to actually become a thing. So like people like Cluli, they're doing X right?
That's what, that's what the algorithm.
[00:27:19] Speaker A: I don't watch those Cooley videos at all. Aren't those just reposted from Tick Tock.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: Anyway. Yeah, so like reposting from Tick Tock. Really? Exactly.
[00:27:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: So like if you, I, I watched a few interviews, the, the Cluley founder kind of went on. Oh yeah, excuse me. I think he, he's thinking about it. Exactly right.
Which is all of the, if you look at all the social media platforms, they're just lock steps with each other, just slightly behind one of the other. So like I, I think Instagram tries to become Tick Tock.
X is trying to become Instagram.
LinkedIn's trying to become X.
Right. So really we're just moving from one platform to the other because we just want the platform that we like. So like I, I'm on X because I don't like Instagram and Tick Tock. But now X is trying to become Instagram and we're always being pushed to find the next, what the next thing is.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: I think. Well that's exactly. I felt about LinkedIn was like, I, I noticed like last three months it becoming more like X. Like I would post jokes and memes and things. I would post on X and then people on like LinkedIn got it like where before, like he wouldn't get any traction or, or people just didn't understand. They're like what does this mean? Like this is, they, what is this? What is this?
Comedy and humor.
[00:28:48] Speaker B: I don't understand this thing.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: Like totally.
They're like what is this? And now it's like the content on there is basically X for me.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: My feed, all the people I chat with, it's all people I used to comment with on, on. Even today I posted something about like rip X and then some people who'd been like long time followers on X. He found me on LinkedIn and I sent him a message like hey, follow me here. Like this is where it's all headed, right? Like it's unfortunate. Like I loved X but like dude, Elon has destroyed the platform.
[00:29:20] Speaker B: I, I don't know. I think, I honestly think it's not just him, it's just the nature of social media right now because everybody's so obsessed with grabbing impressions. So naturally if you just see the same thing over and over again, you're not going to appreciate it and you're not going to engage with as much. So like naturally the algorithm pushes you.
[00:29:44] Speaker A: Totally disagreed because I'll tell you what, he did that why my opinion, like the, the, the, the thing that I think he totally misjudged and still like doesn't understand was like going from advertising to paid a giant Mistake. The paid. The paid platform is a disaster. It incentivizes garbage content the way the payouts work, and incentive incentivizes people to post, like, slop.
It costs a ton of money. I pay like 40 bucks a month for X. I'm not really sure, like, what the value of it is to pay that much. And in the process of doing that, he also, like, scared away all the advertisers. Like, right or wrong or whatever. It doesn't matter. The reality is that, like, he told them to go F themselves. Like, live. Like, just. Just not smart in terms of, like, if you want people to buy advertising from you, that's not the.
It's not the way to do it. And I've made this joke many times, but, like, it's very clear to me that, like, for Elon, running a social network and, like, getting advertising is clearly rocket science. Like, it's hard.
And he hasn't. He doesn't. Has not cracked the code. Like, there's nothing to indicate either to that that it's getting better or improving or that they've done anything in terms of, like, improving the ad aspect and monetizing through advertising. Linda is gone. Right? Like, it's a total failure. And then, like, everyone always said was that the paid version, it just. They can't make enough money doing that. Like, you're never gonna get enough people to sign up.
There's not enough value in it. Like, they're charging, like, these ash, I think, astronomical rates for, like. For what? Like, it's. I don't know, a few other pet peeves.
The rollout of the, like, X chat is so botched. Like, it only works on my phone. It. It's like 10 years too late. Like, I'm totally frustrated with the, like, chat.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's still. It still doesn't work. Like, it's total disaster. Spaces is still in and out.
[00:31:53] Speaker A: We used to do X base. We quit because, like, it didn't work very well. So, like, I can't rely on this thing for anything. Like, totally frustrated. Like, like, so many people over the years have been with, like, X in general as a platform. Like, it's got a lot of love and it.
It's very special.
But, like, it. It just constantly, for whatever reason, like, it seems to always shoot itself in the foot no matter who is running X. It's had a lot of CEOs, right? So maybe, maybe, maybe Elon can't take all of the blame. It's like, it's like a haunted house. Like, there's just ghosts lurking around that platform that always seem to like to win.
[00:32:31] Speaker B: I, I can see that. Right. It's a, it's old platform. I'm sure as a developer you're touching on legacy code left and right.
Okay, I, I can, I can see some of your points.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: It's, it's sad though. I liked it. But I, I like this week was like I, I, I think, I think I'm officially done. Like I, I'll still go on there and people I chat with and I get value out of it but it's just not where big priority.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: So besides LinkedIn where, where else can people find find you?
[00:33:03] Speaker A: Does that's a really good question.
You know I was actually thinking about that today because someone, one of my group chats was like oh all the kids are on threads now. And I was like do I really have to go to threads? Like I thought about checking it out and like I'm really not into like in Instagram text version. Like it does not appeal to me at all but I might take a look and like if there's some interesting stuff in there. But I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.
The moment is, is, is perfect for someone to launch something new and cool and different. If someone could come out with something interesting, maybe, maybe Naval can reboot his Air Chat thing or maybe Air Chat needs more text based features. Like if they had a combo of spoken and text.
I think like I guess that's my recommendation is like somebody come out with something new and cool. I thought Naval is awesome. I thought Air Chat was super interesting. I thought the like focus on audio was, was it's a little bit too much and if they could dial it back somehow so it had like text and audio, it might, it might win. I think, I think if they just maybe make some adjustments to the user experience.
Nail it and people for an alternative.
[00:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah, people there are, you know there's Blue sky, there's. I recently got onto Forecaster as well.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: There's some, I mean I heard of that one. It was Forecaster. So I was on Blue Sky a disaster. Like I just, yeah, I didn't like it.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: A disaster. There's Farcaster, which is this is basically X for crypto people, let's say. But now it's evolved into, you know, evolved into a social media.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: Is it all the same? It looks just like Blue Sky.
[00:34:55] Speaker B: They're all the same. Yeah, I believe so. This is not on Mastodon or whatever. The, the thing is do that orange.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: That orange just tripped Me out. That was cool.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: Good morning.
So like Farcaster maybe I don't know.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: If I'm into this. Like, I don't like these ones that just duplicate X because like they don't have all the features. And I do like or I did like the video. There's some things on, on the X I was using a lot I thought were cool. That's what I went on the blue sky and I'm like, there's no scheduling. There's like text limitations.
There's a bunch of people on there who report everybody and like there's all these tattletales and that is not a great place.
[00:35:40] Speaker B: Right.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Hang out.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah. But immediately that.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I did not like any of that. That's why like I thought air chat was cool. Like someone's got to do something new and then if naval can be like the face of it and do something cool, I think people will get behind it 100 right.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: If, if Neville threw his brand behind it more, not just like a casual user or like a power user, just throw his entire brand behind it. I, I could be convinced.
I could be convinced.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it just needed more tech somehow or maybe I can't remember at this point if it, if it like, if you could like. Because what would be useful is if I could record it with my voice and then it made it text and it was like text to voice as like a primary user experience or use case and that you could read the text because the audio thing was odd. Like I couldn't use audio at my desk like when I'm working.
And that's where the, my. I don't know. My primary usage of a lot of these things is like when I'm on my office and my desk and like I can listen to some audio but reading is more efficient.
But like, like speaking into it and doing the input that way might be really valuable and like gotcha. Time saver for people. I think, I think you have to enable both, but I don't know.
[00:37:03] Speaker B: We'll see.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: Do you go on, do you go on Discord all anymore?
[00:37:09] Speaker B: That's.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: That's the other one.
[00:37:11] Speaker B: Yeah. That's another platform that they don't know what they're doing.
They raised a ton of money.
They tried different things.
I think the founding team or the exact team tried different things. Or they're. They're ad rift with their investors and the, the, the software is not usable.
[00:37:37] Speaker A: I don't like that it's all through an application. It's not a web based tool.
And Then I go in there and I gotta download a bunch of stuff, and every time I log in, there's like 35 new features popping up and everything. It's like, it's like the worst SaaS website experience with, like, do you want to buy this? Do you want to sign up for a newsletter? Did you click here? You're like, oh, my God, slow down. Like, I can't.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: It's telling you to.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I found it really difficult to use.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: Right.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: I, I. So one idea this morning was like, I might put more effort into Reddit.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: Interesting.
Okay, how so?
[00:38:14] Speaker A: So I have my own community on there, and I would post in there, like, kind of like the way I posted on LinkedIn or Twitter, like a blog almost.
So I was like, I could do more. I could do more there. I don't think it's a popular way to use Reddit, but I thought it might work for me because, like, people aren't as big on building their own personal communities and personal brands on Reddit, but you can have your own community. There's nothing stopping you from creating your own community and, like, using it that way, which is kind of cool about that tool. Like, it's, it's very flexible. You can do a lot with it. So I had a vibe your SaaS community, and I was like, I could just post on there as Gregory all the time, like I would do on any other channel. I, I started to get some traction, had some people, like, follow me and stuff. So that was one idea I had was like, do more on, do more on Reddit. Although I don't know if I can handle, like, the people on there too. Like, oh, that's one of our. That one. That's a great segue into our, into our Reddit threads of the week where we doom scroll Reddit so you don't have to.
This one. This title is so good.
Low karma equals low life. How do you escape Reddit noob jail?
It's like the perfect transition for. We're talking about, right? Like, so, yeah, this guy's talking about. Let me read some of this.
Hey, folks. So I recently joined Reddit thinking I could finally ask smart questions and join Cool convos. Plot twist. I can't do stuff because my karma is somewhere between zero and don't even try. Half the subreddits are like VIP clubs and I'm the guy in flip flops at the door. I get that it's to stop spam, but come on, how are you supposed to start if you can't start Any clever but legit ways to get past this low karma purgatory? I don't mind working for it, but farming upvote cat on cat pics wasn't exactly part of the plan. Appreciate any survival dude, the way this is written, I'm jealous. That was so good, like fantastic. And like his point is, is well taken.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: I love the top comment here. Take my fellow Internet citizen and good luck.
This is quintessential Reddit.
[00:40:38] Speaker A: It's so good. Oh, this one's good too. Farming on cat pics works.
But hey, so that's exactly my problem too is like is I guess I have it of karma. I can kind of post play places and stuff. But the Reddit environment, there's not a. There's not enough people like this guy posting fun and awesome stuff. Maybe that maybe I should go and create a club at this.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: Absolutely. Like we need more human people like this, right? So I think like people give up on Reddit way too fast because, you know, so the number one mistake I think people make is they go on to Reddit with a brand new account and start trying to give advice to people people because like nobody knows who you are, right? You're anonymous account.
So like be funny, show people that you're human, build some trust or just like sh. Post. So like spend 80% of your time just sh. Posting. So cat memes, right? Post cat memes, tell people that you're a human, convince people that you're not a bot and then start doing other things.
[00:41:52] Speaker A: It's too much work though. The guy's right that like, that like the like there where the big conversations are happening and a lot of the action and a lot of the interesting stuff, like they make it very, very difficult for you to go and participate. We're like on X or LinkedIn you could just chime in as a comment.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: Correct?
[00:42:07] Speaker A: And like maybe people like it or maybe they don't. Right? But on Reddit it's not like that at all. Like it definitely has this feel where you're like being excluded from the conversations and it's hard to participate and they've made the bar high supposedly to stop spam. But some of it is like this like lords and peasant model, similar to like what X used to have. Right. With the blue check marks. They all got their content prioritized, other people didn't. It's got a very similar dynamic to like the old, the old Twitter.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean like how is that any different from any other social media platforms that requires a follower account?
[00:42:51] Speaker A: So like, well, on X you could just post now or LinkedIn, nobody will.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: See your content rules.
Right. Like the, the good thing about the difference about Reddit is that if you're allowed to post, there's, there's a likelihood that your content, as long as it's good or rage baiting, it'll be seen by hundreds of thousands of people.
[00:43:15] Speaker A: Like, you think you have a higher likelihood to get visibility?
[00:43:18] Speaker B: Of course there's no algorithm guarding your content. Right. Like I can write, for example, inside of this growth hacking subreddit, I can write a post that says I grew my SaaS to $2 million a year.
Regardless if it's true, as long as I can figure out a hook that works, you can get visibility. You can get hundreds and thousands of views.
[00:43:42] Speaker A: But the feed is algorithmic on a.
I guess you can go to different, you can have different settings.
[00:43:48] Speaker B: You mean like the home feed?
Yeah, yeah. Right. So like yes, this feed, there are some algorithms involved, but if you're going into a subreddit, it's literally you can rank it by the top post ranked. Right. And the top post is just based on how people are uploading and downloading your content.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: All right, so we, we'll see if I feel like it. I mean I got the red app to my phone. It's like it's, it's, it's not that mobile first in terms of a user experience. But I, I might, I haven't decided yet. I might, I might spend some more time trying to like figure out how to use Reddit. All right, should we move on?
[00:44:26] Speaker B: The, the. My last point is don't be a noob. Just level up.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: Post on, just upvote cat pics and go for it. Yeah.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: AI marketing.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: All right, so this was super interesting.
There's a company called B that has this wearable that was acquired by Amazon this week.
There's some other people doing some interesting things in the, the wearable space. But I brought this up because like I still think wearables have a lot of potential and they're under explored. And I think this B1, if you @ least read the marketing and believe what they say here, is like a next generation device that's doing some pretty interesting things. It reminds me of like where I think or I guess like the acquisition to some degree. I think it's where they want Alexa to go.
So wearable traditionally would record heart rate, data, number of steps you've taken, like some kind of basic metrics, some kind of thing.
Yeah, right, like just kind of normal Stuff like getting kind of focused on like, kind of health and lifestyle. This one records everything you say and then starts using that data to create like profiles and give you advice and try to understand like different dimensions beyond just kind of like the basic kind of health and fitness type of information and priority and I guess like recommendations that like Fitbit or those other things were doing. Right.
So yeah, when I read this, I was like, this is really interesting. And I can see how like the goal would be to incorporate this into something like Alexa and then it started to understand your mood and know more about your personality.
And I've seen other people with types of technology and platforms out there that are using different inputs, whether they're like a wearable or other types of ways to get data from you to help provide like, feedback and support when it comes, like mental health, wellness. Like, I, I, I, I could see the like, area where people like really afraid of this stuff, but I also see the value proposition and the benefits of these types of things. Right. And we know that mental health is a big problem. It is now, like, there's a lot of unhappy people. Right. And so if these types of like, tools and devices could provide some benefit.
[00:47:05] Speaker B: I think, I think it's very cool.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: I mean, go to that one in yellow scroll, scroll back up below the middle one to see what. If you scroll down, it says like, be turned your moments into meaning. It's really interesting. Like, it took me a minute to understand like what this thing or at least the vision of this device.
Because, like, the reason I'm, I'm pushing this point is like, I was actually a big fan of the humane AI pin. I thought that was cool too.
Voice. Voice activated AI device. A lot of people roasted them on Twitter or whatever and some, they deserve some of the, some of the like, feedback I suppose, but they, they were going more of like, it's very Apple. They're very interface focused. They had that like laser pointer interface that like, comically I think would be very difficult to use, even though it's like quite innovative. I don't know if it's efficient, but this thing is trying to go in a different direction where it listens to everything and then uses that information to like build profiles, make recommendations, which like, as far as I knew, wasn't like part of the roadmap for the humane IM product. The product wasn't trying to like, listen to you and then provide advice and feedback and get to know you based on like, you know, what you say, oh, did you, dude, I don't hear.
[00:48:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
Do you think we're ready for something like this that just watches you 24 7? I suppose people do wear Apple watches that has the same effect. Fitbit.
[00:48:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, so the Apple Watch absolutely has this technology. As far as I know, there's no product or feature that does this though, like, what they're doing.
But the Apple Watch could easily, like, launch some type of application that's like mood enhancer or something. And it knows, like, oh, you feel. I, like, like, at least my vision. This is like, oh, you know, based on stuff I've heard, you know, come. You've heard?
[00:49:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:15] Speaker A: Like, you seem like you're a little. You're a little down. Like, would you like me to, like, play some cheery music for you or would you like to go get a coffee, Gregory? Well, of course.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: That's. That's so. Okay, I'll tell you what my concern is, right? Especially with the Amazon acquisition. I know that Amazon's like, Apple is probably going to getting to healthcare. Of course, they all want to.
[00:49:37] Speaker A: Well, Amazon owns one medical already, right?
[00:49:40] Speaker B: So they're. HEALTHCARE is the next frontier for all of these big tech, what with all of these wearables, at least with Apple, I can't immediately think of 20 million things that they can sell me.
With Amazon, my biggest concern is, okay, if I wear this device, it's owned by Amazon. What if it starts to subliminally try to sell me a whole bunch of random products?
And now, like, in my brain I'm thinking things like, do I want that?
[00:50:18] Speaker A: That's. That's totally important.
[00:50:20] Speaker B: Of course I know that's the plan.
That's why I want that.
Do I trust? Do I trust them and do I trust myself?
[00:50:30] Speaker A: No. It's a great point.
I don't know if I'm like, I have a very. I'm trying to think of the exact. A very, like, kind of.
I think these things are inevitable. I think that the progress of technology just will happen and that we don't. We don't. We don't have a lot of choice.
Some people find this, like, philosophy uncomfortable, but I think people aren't just being honest and realistic about things. Like, and, like, I'm not sure that we have any, any choice in any of this. I think these things are like, to some degree predestined to happen. So this thing's emerging. We've had all the technology to do these kinds of things to some degree already.
We're going to build out this massive AI infrastructure with server capacity to Process all this stuff, it's just going to happen and we need to figure out a ways to manage it, maybe regulate it, live with it. But I don't see any way to stop it.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: I don't know what I think about that take. But.
[00:51:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I, so I'll share this with you. Like this was like this was on a Joe Rogan.
I think they were having this chat about this like you know, the purpose of civilization and I, I don't know, I think about these things all the time. So, so I think that like perhaps this was our destiny, was to like create AI and all these tools and like maybe a machine civilization is supposed to emerge out of us, right? Like we don't know the master plan like that, that's, that that was like what the our destiny was, right? That like we give birth to this like machine civilization at some point in the future, right. Like, like I don't think like a super intelligence, that stuff's going to happen five years, ten years. But I do think in a thousand years AI civilizations are not just possible, they're inevitable, right? That there'll be like machines that create other machines and they have their own economies and all that kind of crazy sci fi stuff. Like, like based on the technology of today, like yeah, for sure. Like it's gonna happen. I don't think it'll happen in our lifetime. I think people are like way optimistic in terms of the timeline.
But sometimes I think like maybe that was our destiny. Like we were, that we're like that's evolution. Like we were supposed to create, create these things. And, and that's why I don't think, I don't know if we have a choice, right.
I think we have to figure out ways to like live with these things. And the simplest, the simplest way to define this is like if we regulate United States like they'll do in other countries, right? Like it, these things are very difficult to, to control.
Right.
That's why I think it's about like building smart solutions and tools and ways to like to mitigate and manage them than like outright ban them.
[00:53:24] Speaker B: I see. So we have to kind of like coexist. We have to adopt.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: That's what I think we'll see.
[00:53:31] Speaker B: And then potentially buy more Amazon goods.
[00:53:36] Speaker A: The healthcare application. I don't, I don't know. Like, I mean there's optimistic views, right, that like it could be really helpful. I've seen this with people where the heart rate monitors and stuff were very beneficial because like we have a lot of information about how people so, you know, I think all these things have, like, they're, they have two sides to the, to the equation, and there's always going to be unforeseen consequences on both sides, positive and, and negative.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: Fair enough. Shall we talk about some of the other goods?
All right.
[00:54:10] Speaker A: Do you want to, do you want to do the other. There's the glasses, too, right? That came out.
[00:54:14] Speaker B: The glasses one.
I like, I like the topic.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Yeah, the wearable space is cool.
There's been a lot of. You want to play, do you want, do you want to play a video quickly? Yeah, yeah. This is cool. I think, like, you know, the meta Ray Bans and Google Glass, and it fits up the whole wearable topic that they've, that people have been developing these types of things for a while. And you and I were talking about this because we both wear, we both wear glasses, right? So these ones look like normal glasses and I could, I could totally see myself wearing, wearing these things. Right. And so I think, like, adoption of these things is, is definitely coming once the tools get lightweight enough and, and the battery life.
[00:55:01] Speaker B: The battery life.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: Other issue with these things.
Yeah, if you got to recharge them all the time, it's kind of a pain. But you keep seeing, like, new versions of them. Like, and these ones, like, look, you know, if you think glasses look cool, they look cool. Right. They just look like regular glasses, but the benefits are very clear. Like, they're showing some kind of funny, you know, gambling use cases. Right. But I see, like, translation and, like, all kinds of things that could be, like, really, really useful instead of, like, all these kind of, you know, I don't know, kind of juvenile. Like the Cluley one or this one. Right. Cheating on gambling or cheating on a date or something.
Those use cases, I suppose they drive a lot of engagement on TikTok and stuff, but translation or using it in a meeting.
The business use cases, I think seem really powerful and beneficial and, and I see them being popular.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: I, I, I think we're almost ready. So, like, I, I've been kind of exploring this as, as a post on Reddit and this is so, like, I've kind of posted about this on Reddit as well, where it says, I wear metaglass at the trade show and went surprisingly well just to, like, get people's opinion on floating.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: Yeah, the business use case, I think, are really good.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: Like, these comments are the best.
[00:56:30] Speaker A: Nice try, Zuck. That's pretty good.
[00:56:32] Speaker B: So, like, I think we're, we're almost there.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: That one's great. Yeah. I think, like, use that trade show. Like, that's what I think. I think business use cases are actually quite.
There's. There's clear benefit. And business users will pay for them. Right. Like, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks for these things. Like, it's not expensive for the average.
The average business user.
And if they just look like normal glasses.
[00:56:55] Speaker B: Normal glasses.
I mean, people are always going to complain about privacy, but I think eventually that has to be resolved.
[00:57:04] Speaker A: Well, like, some people are really against the filming. Right. Against your consensus without your permission.
Like, a lot of those glasses. Yeah. And then, like, if you're at a dinner. So I see the privacy side of this stuff, but I just go back to my. Like, I don't really know how we make. I don't know how we, like, manage it, other than we have to just learn to live with it. And so maybe you have a no wearable dinner rule, or maybe.
I don't know why there's not technology that you could turn on a little box and it would stop all of this stuff from working. Just turn off the WI fi or something.
[00:57:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
So you can't at public events. Because pacemakers use the same technology.
[00:57:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's rules and stuff, too. But it'd be cool to have.
Maybe some engineer can solve it. I'd love to have a device in my house where I turn this thing on. You come my house. Like, none of this stuff works.
[00:57:54] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. I mean, you could. Yeah, right.
[00:57:57] Speaker A: Like, I just. Yeah. And you could market, like, a restaurant or something like that. I mean, this is a. This sounds like a very first world problem.
[00:58:04] Speaker B: Right.
[00:58:04] Speaker A: Like, I'm a rich celebrity and I don't want people filming me at dinner.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Right. Like, but people do do that. Right. Like, people, like, especially at comedy or shows, people ask you to give up, surrender your phone at the. Your phone door.
[00:58:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:58:20] Speaker B: It is a thing.
[00:58:21] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's not. It's a total thing. Right. And so it'd be cool if someone could, like, solve for that. But I think the reality is, like, we have to. We already have to live with, like, phones filming everything. I mean, that's. There was our meme last week with the Coldplay concert and the people who were, like, having an affair and got on. Not just got on camera at the show, but got on camera around the world.
Right. So we just have to figure out how to live with this stuff, I think. All right, let's move on.
[00:58:48] Speaker B: We've beat this one.
[00:58:53] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:58:54] Speaker B: I think we're at the memes.
[00:58:57] Speaker A: Oh, dude, what a week.
[00:59:01] Speaker B: To does the Oz.
[00:59:05] Speaker A: Of course I do. Ozzy Osbourne, you know, of course. Like I loved Ozzy as a kid. Always a huge fan of Black Sabbath and all his albums as solo career. But, but I think what's excellent about Azie was when he produced the Osbornes on mtv, they did like a reality show about his family and I would credit him with like popularizing the reality genre.
[00:59:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep.
[00:59:34] Speaker A: You know, did you ever watch that show?
[00:59:36] Speaker B: So yeah, that's how I knew of him. I didn't really listen to a lot of Black Sabbath, but I know him through that show.
[00:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And because what was cool was like, you know, he's known as like the Prince of Darkness and all this like scary heavy metal stuff. And then the show just painted him.
[00:59:56] Speaker B: As like kind of love.
[00:59:57] Speaker A: Lovable, lovable father, which made the whole. The whole premise of show is kind of very funny. Like they're like a weird heavy metal family, but they're actually quite kind of fun.
They're just like every other family.
Yeah, it was, it was great.
I. I loved it. A huge fan and I think they really, they really like invented the reality genre.
[01:00:18] Speaker B: They were the pioneers.
Someone else this week.
[01:00:24] Speaker A: Oh my God.
Yeah. What a week, huh? Hulk Hogan passed away. There's some funny Hulk Hogan clips as well that I was watching today. I wasn't a huge fan of professional wrestling personally. My cousins were and we like kind of pretend to wrestle when I was a kid, but it wasn't a huge thing for me. But I do think he's like a well known icon.
And then the whole like Peter Teal Gawker.
[01:00:50] Speaker B: Right.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: Lawsuit. Right.
Hulk Hogan played a. Played, played his part in, in the Gawker takedown. So.
[01:01:01] Speaker B: So he has some tech infamy related.
[01:01:05] Speaker A: Tech infamy. Yeah, I think that's a good term.
[01:01:08] Speaker B: And then the actual memes of this week.
[01:01:11] Speaker A: Oh my God. Is this the. Is this the way.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: This is a different one.
[01:01:18] Speaker A: Well, all I know is like I'm a fan of all these Sydney Sweeney memes. I think these things are hilarious.
I.
I think the one working at intel is my favorite.
At least favor of the week.
[01:01:31] Speaker B: So good.
I.
It's just hilarious. It's like every time I see your picture, of course I'm gonna click on it.
That's why you would debate. So it's just, it's just like the perfect engagement beat on social media.
[01:01:46] Speaker A: Oh, it's. This one's really funny. Right. Part of this turnaround partner is Sydney Sweeney. This is a Tron fan, right? Yeah, dude, he's funny.
I hadn't seen the other. What's the other one with her?
[01:01:57] Speaker B: Just kind of like, this is a CEO of Trap Base, and he's just.
[01:02:02] Speaker A: Oh, he's just, like, jumping on the trend.
[01:02:05] Speaker B: As in, you know, this tweet is actually pretty hilarious, too.
He ran every possible scenario. In none of them, I get to hunter AR without becoming this.
[01:02:16] Speaker A: Without becoming this.
[01:02:19] Speaker B: I thought, that's hilarious.
[01:02:20] Speaker A: I did. I did a.
I did a Sydney Sweeney action figure when that was really popular with the AI.
The AI action figures. Yeah. I made a Sydney Smitty action figure for nerds because I figured want would want that collection.
[01:02:33] Speaker B: Mandatory Click this video.
This is amazing. Like, subtitle, too.
[01:02:41] Speaker A: Oh, man, what a way to go. Sign off the week. Yeah, well, amazing.
[01:02:47] Speaker B: Lots of good topic every single week.
[01:02:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And the last thing I'll say is, like, we have a few people that we know from X who I think would be excellent guests. So if you're interested in. Yeah. Joining us, like, yeah, we'll be doing this every Friday whether we have a guest or not. It's always fun to chat with my buddy Paul. But, yeah, like, reach out to us if you're interested in appearing on the live stream, and we'll see you next week.
[01:03:09] Speaker B: Have a good one. Bye.
All right.
[01:03:11] Speaker A: Bye.
[01:03:12] Speaker B: Bye.
